I understand most things concerning making a backup, but I cannot seem to
figure out what a sensible schedule is for making a backup. I would love to
figure this out before we go live in a few months.
The database will have a reasonable mutation rate, i.e. around 500 data
changes per day and work-loss must be kept to a minimum. We expect the size
to be around 2GB. The schedule I have made now is as follows:
Full Backup on Sunday at 02:00
Differential Backups on other weekdays at 02:00
Transaction Log Backups every 4 hours every day
Clean History 4 weeks old files every week on Sunday at 04:00
I do not know if this makes sense. I do not know if the log backup proces
will hinder the users or not. I do know there are many many variables that
play a role in making a good backup procedure, but I would greatly appreciate
any insight concerning correct scheduling. TIA!I would definitely change things a bit, considering "work-loss must be kept to a minimum".
How about database backup every day and log backup at least every hour. Or log backups every 10
minutes? The more frequent you do log backup, the less impact is will have each time it is executed
(even though the impact is low to begin with, especially if you have separated log/data/backup
disks). For a 2 GB database, I probably wouldn't do differential backups, unless you have compelling
advantages to do so.
--
Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
"PaulSand" <PaulSand@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E2D4C305-A7A2-4651-A4DB-CE04E247F5FB@.microsoft.com...
>I understand most things concerning making a backup, but I cannot seem to
> figure out what a sensible schedule is for making a backup. I would love to
> figure this out before we go live in a few months.
> The database will have a reasonable mutation rate, i.e. around 500 data
> changes per day and work-loss must be kept to a minimum. We expect the size
> to be around 2GB. The schedule I have made now is as follows:
> Full Backup on Sunday at 02:00
> Differential Backups on other weekdays at 02:00
> Transaction Log Backups every 4 hours every day
> Clean History 4 weeks old files every week on Sunday at 04:00
> I do not know if this makes sense. I do not know if the log backup proces
> will hinder the users or not. I do know there are many many variables that
> play a role in making a good backup procedure, but I would greatly appreciate
> any insight concerning correct scheduling. TIA!|||I agree with Tibor. Although I'm sure useful in some scenarios, we
don't use differentials at all. Fulls once per day, and then logs
every hour to two hours, is what we do. It's easier to manage the
files, and we can keep track in our head which files exactly we need in
the case of restore. And we're in the same boat - "work-loss must be
kept to a minimum".
Tibor Karaszi wrote:
> I would definitely change things a bit, considering "work-loss must be kept to a minimum".
> How about database backup every day and log backup at least every hour. Or log backups every 10
> minutes? The more frequent you do log backup, the less impact is will have each time it is executed
> (even though the impact is low to begin with, especially if you have separated log/data/backup
> disks). For a 2 GB database, I probably wouldn't do differential backups, unless you have compelling
> advantages to do so.
> --
> Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
> http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
> http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
> Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
>
> "PaulSand" <PaulSand@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:E2D4C305-A7A2-4651-A4DB-CE04E247F5FB@.microsoft.com...
> >I understand most things concerning making a backup, but I cannot seem to
> > figure out what a sensible schedule is for making a backup. I would love to
> > figure this out before we go live in a few months.
> >
> > The database will have a reasonable mutation rate, i.e. around 500 data
> > changes per day and work-loss must be kept to a minimum. We expect the size
> > to be around 2GB. The schedule I have made now is as follows:
> >
> > Full Backup on Sunday at 02:00
> > Differential Backups on other weekdays at 02:00
> > Transaction Log Backups every 4 hours every day
> > Clean History 4 weeks old files every week on Sunday at 04:00
> >
> > I do not know if this makes sense. I do not know if the log backup proces
> > will hinder the users or not. I do know there are many many variables that
> > play a role in making a good backup procedure, but I would greatly appreciate
> > any insight concerning correct scheduling. TIA!
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Monday, March 19, 2012
[SQL2005] Backup Schedule
I understand most things concerning making a backup, but I cannot seem to
figure out what a sensible schedule is for making a backup. I would love to
figure this out before we go live in a few months.
The database will have a reasonable mutation rate, i.e. around 500 data
changes per day and work-loss must be kept to a minimum. We expect the size
to be around 2GB. The schedule I have made now is as follows:
Full Backup on Sunday at 02:00
Differential Backups on other weekdays at 02:00
Transaction Log Backups every 4 hours every day
Clean History 4 weeks old files every week on Sunday at 04:00
I do not know if this makes sense. I do not know if the log backup proces
will hinder the users or not. I do know there are many many variables that
play a role in making a good backup procedure, but I would greatly appreciat
e
any insight concerning correct scheduling. TIA!I would definitely change things a bit, considering "work-loss must be kept
to a minimum".
How about database backup every day and log backup at least every hour. Or l
og backups every 10
minutes? The more frequent you do log backup, the less impact is will have e
ach time it is executed
(even though the impact is low to begin with, especially if you have separat
ed log/data/backup
disks). For a 2 GB database, I probably wouldn't do differential backups, un
less you have compelling
advantages to do so.
Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
"PaulSand" <PaulSand@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E2D4C305-A7A2-4651-A4DB-CE04E247F5FB@.microsoft.com...
>I understand most things concerning making a backup, but I cannot seem to
> figure out what a sensible schedule is for making a backup. I would love t
o
> figure this out before we go live in a few months.
> The database will have a reasonable mutation rate, i.e. around 500 data
> changes per day and work-loss must be kept to a minimum. We expect the siz
e
> to be around 2GB. The schedule I have made now is as follows:
> Full Backup on Sunday at 02:00
> Differential Backups on other weekdays at 02:00
> Transaction Log Backups every 4 hours every day
> Clean History 4 weeks old files every week on Sunday at 04:00
> I do not know if this makes sense. I do not know if the log backup proces
> will hinder the users or not. I do know there are many many variables that
> play a role in making a good backup procedure, but I would greatly appreci
ate
> any insight concerning correct scheduling. TIA!|||I agree with Tibor. Although I'm sure useful in some scenarios, we
don't use differentials at all. Fulls once per day, and then logs
every hour to two hours, is what we do. It's easier to manage the
files, and we can keep track in our head which files exactly we need in
the case of restore. And we're in the same boat - "work-loss must be
kept to a minimum".
Tibor Karaszi wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> I would definitely change things a bit, considering "work-loss must be kep
t to a minimum".
> How about database backup every day and log backup at least every hour. Or
log backups every 10
> minutes? The more frequent you do log backup, the less impact is will have
each time it is executed
> (even though the impact is low to begin with, especially if you have separ
ated log/data/backup
> disks). For a 2 GB database, I probably wouldn't do differential backups,
unless you have compelling
> advantages to do so.
> --
> Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
> http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
> http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
> Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
>
> "PaulSand" <PaulSand@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:E2D4C305-A7A2-4651-A4DB-CE04E247F5FB@.microsoft.com...
figure out what a sensible schedule is for making a backup. I would love to
figure this out before we go live in a few months.
The database will have a reasonable mutation rate, i.e. around 500 data
changes per day and work-loss must be kept to a minimum. We expect the size
to be around 2GB. The schedule I have made now is as follows:
Full Backup on Sunday at 02:00
Differential Backups on other weekdays at 02:00
Transaction Log Backups every 4 hours every day
Clean History 4 weeks old files every week on Sunday at 04:00
I do not know if this makes sense. I do not know if the log backup proces
will hinder the users or not. I do know there are many many variables that
play a role in making a good backup procedure, but I would greatly appreciat
e
any insight concerning correct scheduling. TIA!I would definitely change things a bit, considering "work-loss must be kept
to a minimum".
How about database backup every day and log backup at least every hour. Or l
og backups every 10
minutes? The more frequent you do log backup, the less impact is will have e
ach time it is executed
(even though the impact is low to begin with, especially if you have separat
ed log/data/backup
disks). For a 2 GB database, I probably wouldn't do differential backups, un
less you have compelling
advantages to do so.
Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
"PaulSand" <PaulSand@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E2D4C305-A7A2-4651-A4DB-CE04E247F5FB@.microsoft.com...
>I understand most things concerning making a backup, but I cannot seem to
> figure out what a sensible schedule is for making a backup. I would love t
o
> figure this out before we go live in a few months.
> The database will have a reasonable mutation rate, i.e. around 500 data
> changes per day and work-loss must be kept to a minimum. We expect the siz
e
> to be around 2GB. The schedule I have made now is as follows:
> Full Backup on Sunday at 02:00
> Differential Backups on other weekdays at 02:00
> Transaction Log Backups every 4 hours every day
> Clean History 4 weeks old files every week on Sunday at 04:00
> I do not know if this makes sense. I do not know if the log backup proces
> will hinder the users or not. I do know there are many many variables that
> play a role in making a good backup procedure, but I would greatly appreci
ate
> any insight concerning correct scheduling. TIA!|||I agree with Tibor. Although I'm sure useful in some scenarios, we
don't use differentials at all. Fulls once per day, and then logs
every hour to two hours, is what we do. It's easier to manage the
files, and we can keep track in our head which files exactly we need in
the case of restore. And we're in the same boat - "work-loss must be
kept to a minimum".
Tibor Karaszi wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> I would definitely change things a bit, considering "work-loss must be kep
t to a minimum".
> How about database backup every day and log backup at least every hour. Or
log backups every 10
> minutes? The more frequent you do log backup, the less impact is will have
each time it is executed
> (even though the impact is low to begin with, especially if you have separ
ated log/data/backup
> disks). For a 2 GB database, I probably wouldn't do differential backups,
unless you have compelling
> advantages to do so.
> --
> Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
> http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
> http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
> Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
>
> "PaulSand" <PaulSand@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:E2D4C305-A7A2-4651-A4DB-CE04E247F5FB@.microsoft.com...
[SQL2005] Backup Schedule
I understand most things concerning making a backup, but I cannot seem to
figure out what a sensible schedule is for making a backup. I would love to
figure this out before we go live in a few months.
The database will have a reasonable mutation rate, i.e. around 500 data
changes per day and work-loss must be kept to a minimum. We expect the size
to be around 2GB. The schedule I have made now is as follows:
Full Backup on Sunday at 02:00
Differential Backups on other weekdays at 02:00
Transaction Log Backups every 4 hours every day
Clean History 4 weeks old files every week on Sunday at 04:00
I do not know if this makes sense. I do not know if the log backup proces
will hinder the users or not. I do know there are many many variables that
play a role in making a good backup procedure, but I would greatly appreciate
any insight concerning correct scheduling. TIA!
I would definitely change things a bit, considering "work-loss must be kept to a minimum".
How about database backup every day and log backup at least every hour. Or log backups every 10
minutes? The more frequent you do log backup, the less impact is will have each time it is executed
(even though the impact is low to begin with, especially if you have separated log/data/backup
disks). For a 2 GB database, I probably wouldn't do differential backups, unless you have compelling
advantages to do so.
Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
"PaulSand" <PaulSand@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E2D4C305-A7A2-4651-A4DB-CE04E247F5FB@.microsoft.com...
>I understand most things concerning making a backup, but I cannot seem to
> figure out what a sensible schedule is for making a backup. I would love to
> figure this out before we go live in a few months.
> The database will have a reasonable mutation rate, i.e. around 500 data
> changes per day and work-loss must be kept to a minimum. We expect the size
> to be around 2GB. The schedule I have made now is as follows:
> Full Backup on Sunday at 02:00
> Differential Backups on other weekdays at 02:00
> Transaction Log Backups every 4 hours every day
> Clean History 4 weeks old files every week on Sunday at 04:00
> I do not know if this makes sense. I do not know if the log backup proces
> will hinder the users or not. I do know there are many many variables that
> play a role in making a good backup procedure, but I would greatly appreciate
> any insight concerning correct scheduling. TIA!
|||I agree with Tibor. Although I'm sure useful in some scenarios, we
don't use differentials at all. Fulls once per day, and then logs
every hour to two hours, is what we do. It's easier to manage the
files, and we can keep track in our head which files exactly we need in
the case of restore. And we're in the same boat - "work-loss must be
kept to a minimum".
Tibor Karaszi wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> I would definitely change things a bit, considering "work-loss must be kept to a minimum".
> How about database backup every day and log backup at least every hour. Or log backups every 10
> minutes? The more frequent you do log backup, the less impact is will have each time it is executed
> (even though the impact is low to begin with, especially if you have separated log/data/backup
> disks). For a 2 GB database, I probably wouldn't do differential backups, unless you have compelling
> advantages to do so.
> --
> Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
> http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
> http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
> Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
>
> "PaulSand" <PaulSand@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:E2D4C305-A7A2-4651-A4DB-CE04E247F5FB@.microsoft.com...
figure out what a sensible schedule is for making a backup. I would love to
figure this out before we go live in a few months.
The database will have a reasonable mutation rate, i.e. around 500 data
changes per day and work-loss must be kept to a minimum. We expect the size
to be around 2GB. The schedule I have made now is as follows:
Full Backup on Sunday at 02:00
Differential Backups on other weekdays at 02:00
Transaction Log Backups every 4 hours every day
Clean History 4 weeks old files every week on Sunday at 04:00
I do not know if this makes sense. I do not know if the log backup proces
will hinder the users or not. I do know there are many many variables that
play a role in making a good backup procedure, but I would greatly appreciate
any insight concerning correct scheduling. TIA!
I would definitely change things a bit, considering "work-loss must be kept to a minimum".
How about database backup every day and log backup at least every hour. Or log backups every 10
minutes? The more frequent you do log backup, the less impact is will have each time it is executed
(even though the impact is low to begin with, especially if you have separated log/data/backup
disks). For a 2 GB database, I probably wouldn't do differential backups, unless you have compelling
advantages to do so.
Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
"PaulSand" <PaulSand@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E2D4C305-A7A2-4651-A4DB-CE04E247F5FB@.microsoft.com...
>I understand most things concerning making a backup, but I cannot seem to
> figure out what a sensible schedule is for making a backup. I would love to
> figure this out before we go live in a few months.
> The database will have a reasonable mutation rate, i.e. around 500 data
> changes per day and work-loss must be kept to a minimum. We expect the size
> to be around 2GB. The schedule I have made now is as follows:
> Full Backup on Sunday at 02:00
> Differential Backups on other weekdays at 02:00
> Transaction Log Backups every 4 hours every day
> Clean History 4 weeks old files every week on Sunday at 04:00
> I do not know if this makes sense. I do not know if the log backup proces
> will hinder the users or not. I do know there are many many variables that
> play a role in making a good backup procedure, but I would greatly appreciate
> any insight concerning correct scheduling. TIA!
|||I agree with Tibor. Although I'm sure useful in some scenarios, we
don't use differentials at all. Fulls once per day, and then logs
every hour to two hours, is what we do. It's easier to manage the
files, and we can keep track in our head which files exactly we need in
the case of restore. And we're in the same boat - "work-loss must be
kept to a minimum".
Tibor Karaszi wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> I would definitely change things a bit, considering "work-loss must be kept to a minimum".
> How about database backup every day and log backup at least every hour. Or log backups every 10
> minutes? The more frequent you do log backup, the less impact is will have each time it is executed
> (even though the impact is low to begin with, especially if you have separated log/data/backup
> disks). For a 2 GB database, I probably wouldn't do differential backups, unless you have compelling
> advantages to do so.
> --
> Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
> http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
> http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
> Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
>
> "PaulSand" <PaulSand@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:E2D4C305-A7A2-4651-A4DB-CE04E247F5FB@.microsoft.com...
Sunday, March 11, 2012
[SQL 2005] backup Diff on MSDB doesnt work
Hello all,
I need help concerning a differential backup on a MSDB database.
I received this message when I tried to backup it
Log from Windows
Event Type: Error
Event Source: SQLVDI
Event Category: None
Event ID: 1
Date: 8/1/2007
Time: 2:03:37 PM
User: N/A
Computer: XXX
Description:
SQLVDI: Loc=SignalAbort. Desc=Client initiates abort. ErrorCode=(0). Process=9028. Thread=5928. Client. Instance=. VD=Global\Data Protector_(DEFAULT)_msdb_14_00_21.
Log from DataProtector
Normal] From: XXX "(DEFAULT)" Time: XXX
SQL statement:
BACKUP DATABASE [msdb] TO
VIRTUAL_DEVICE = "Data Protector_(DEFAULT)_msdb_06_00_14"
WITH NAME = 'Data Protector: 2007/08/01 0064', DIFFERENTIAL, BLOCKSIZE = 4096, MAXTRANSFERSIZE = 65536;
[Warning] From: XXX "(DEFAULT)" Time: XXX
Error has occurred while executing a SQL statement.
Error message: '<Microsoft SQL-DMO (ODBC SQLState: 42000):bdb>
[Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][SQL Server]Cannot perform a differential backup for database "msdb", because a current database backup does not exist. Perform a full database backup by reissuing BACKUP DATABASE, omitting the WITH DIFFERENTIAL option.
[Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][SQL Server]BACKUP DATABASE is terminating abnormally.'
Ive tried to do a full followed straight after by a diff but doent help.
Thank you for your help
yes you can take differential but for master you can take only full backup ..........whats in the error log ? ? ? you need to take a full backup and then subsequently differential backup
|||Yes we can, I do it for many servers
|||The error is pretty explicit about what the problem is.
A differential backup is defined as the set of changes SINCE THE LAST FULL BACKUP.
If you've never done a full backup, there is nothing to base the differential on and it won't work.
Do a full backup of MSDB, and then your differentials should work.
|||Hi thank you to replay.
That what I do, a full and after a diff, that why I don't understand why I doesnt find any base
Thank you
|||Is the database recovery set to FULL? Simple won't do it (it actually reset the status field needed).
|||FULL recovery model applies to log backups, not to differential backups.
In fact, there is no way to clear the differential base once it is set.
What you're attempting to do should work just fine.
Please try it from Management Studio query window and paste the commands and response.
Thanks,
Kevin
|||
Kevin Farlee wrote:
FULL recovery model applies to log backups, not to differential backups.
In fact, there is no way to clear the differential base once it is set.
Thanks for the correction. Somehow, I was thinking the OP wants to backup log for msdb (you can't 'cuz it's simple). Duh!
[SQL 2005] backup Diff on MSDB doesnt work
Hello all,
I need help concerning a differential backup on a MSDB database.
I received this message when I tried to backup it
Log from Windows
Event Type: Error
Event Source: SQLVDI
Event Category: None
Event ID: 1
Date: 8/1/2007
Time: 2:03:37 PM
User: N/A
Computer: XXX
Description:
SQLVDI: Loc=SignalAbort. Desc=Client initiates abort. ErrorCode=(0). Process=9028. Thread=5928. Client. Instance=. VD=Global\Data Protector_(DEFAULT)_msdb_14_00_21.
Log from DataProtector
Normal] From: XXX "(DEFAULT)" Time: XXX
SQL statement:
BACKUP DATABASE [msdb] TO
VIRTUAL_DEVICE = "Data Protector_(DEFAULT)_msdb_06_00_14"
WITH NAME = 'Data Protector: 2007/08/01 0064', DIFFERENTIAL, BLOCKSIZE = 4096, MAXTRANSFERSIZE = 65536;
[Warning] From: XXX "(DEFAULT)" Time: XXX
Error has occurred while executing a SQL statement.
Error message: '<Microsoft SQL-DMO (ODBC SQLState: 42000):bdb>
[Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][SQL Server]Cannot perform a differential backup for database "msdb", because a current database backup does not exist. Perform a full database backup by reissuing BACKUP DATABASE, omitting the WITH DIFFERENTIAL option.
[Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][SQL Server]BACKUP DATABASE is terminating abnormally.'
Ive tried to do a full followed straight after by a diff but doent help.
Thank you for your help
yes you can take differential but for master you can take only full backup ..........whats in the error log ? ? ? you need to take a full backup and then subsequently differential backup
|||Yes we can, I do it for many servers
|||The error is pretty explicit about what the problem is.
A differential backup is defined as the set of changes SINCE THE LAST FULL BACKUP.
If you've never done a full backup, there is nothing to base the differential on and it won't work.
Do a full backup of MSDB, and then your differentials should work.
|||
Hi thank you to replay.
That what I do, a full and after a diff, that why I don't understand why I doesnt find any base
Thank you
|||
Is the database recovery set to FULL? Simple won't do it (it actually reset the status field needed).
|||FULL recovery model applies to log backups, not to differential backups.
In fact, there is no way to clear the differential base once it is set.
What you're attempting to do should work just fine.
Please try it from Management Studio query window and paste the commands and response.
Thanks,
Kevin
|||
FULL recovery model applies to log backups, not to differential backups.
In fact, there is no way to clear the differential base once it is set.
Thanks for the correction. Somehow, I was thinking the OP wants to backup log for msdb (you can't 'cuz it's simple). Duh!
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